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  • This is an issue being brought up on the Night Assault on Sachana article. Basically, the following route is the canon route, according to ACX website material and the existence of the XFA-33 -Alect- 4 Star Aircraft:

    01 -> 02 -> 03A -> (04A) -> 05A -> 06B -> (04B -> 03B) -> 07B -> 08A -> 10A -> 09B -> (11B) -> 12C -> 14A -> 13B -> 15B

    Which makes the following missions and their events non-canon: 05B, 06A, 07A, 07C, 08B, 09A, 10B, 11A, 12A, 12B, 13A, 14B, and 15A.

    Those missions will still have articles no matter what. However, we need to sort some things out:

    1. Do we care about the canonical status of ACX's missions according to the ACX website and the XFA-33 -Alect-?
    2. If yes, do we still create articles for the operations/events performed in the non-canon routes? For example, do we still host the Night Assault on Sachana article even though Mission 09A isn't considered canon by the website?
    3. If yes, do we put some kind of notice at the top about the article being non-canon?

    We need to come to a community consensus on this issue, so please reply with your thoughts. (Anonymous contributors are free to comment as well, but I'm obviously going to take more stock into the opinions of our registered users.)

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    • 1.) Yes we do, like we did for all other Special Aircraft and official material
      2.) Yes
      3.) Yes, possibly with a new template for non-canonicity
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    • I beg to differ on it being a problem. This is a ACI aircraft, right? ACI isn't part of the AC Canon, it's a Spinoff, so I say we shouldn't worry about it.

      But then again, i'm just a nugget compared to you all.

      As for Question 3, I say we should make a notice about it being non-canon, but that kind of begs the question as to if we should make all Strangereal Games "Canon" (with the exception of Northern Skies due to (iirc) conflicts with the canon), and report ACI, AC:AH and AC:JA non-canon on their pages with that template.

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    • NodokaHanamura wrote:
      I beg to differ on it being a problem. This is a ACI aircraft, right? ACI isn't part of the AC Canon, it's a Spinoff, so I say we shouldn't worry about it.

      But then again, i'm just a nugget compared to you all.

      As for Question 3, I say we should make a notice about it being non-canon, but that kind of begs the question as to if we should make all Strangereal Games "Canon" (with the exception of Northern Skies due to (iirc) conflicts with the canon), and report ACI, AC:AH and AC:JA non-canon on their pages with that template.


      What about when it directly refrences Older Ace Games? Like The Megalith Yellow Numbers, ZOE being Belkan, and the Varkolac Back stories?


      And Non Canon does not work whe nyou throw the AU(alternat universes) in them, No Using the Wiki to spread buthurt over non SR games

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      Shayanomer removed this reply because:
      Actually, this is unrelated to the discussion.
      17:23, February 2, 2016
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    • @NodokaHanamura: You're getting confused with the situation here. Joint Assault, Assault Horizon, and Infinity take place in their own universes, whereas most of the rest of the games take place in the Strangereal universe. We only consider an entire game like Northern Wings non-canon when it directly conflicts with established history from another (esp. larger) game. But that's not the discussion here at all.

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    • Well on this one i don't have to put a lot of thought on it, yes to all, without a doubt, regardless of being canon or not.

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    • Yes to all of the above.

      1. There's no reason to not take stock in ACX's website information, and just because ACI's a spinoff in an alternate reality doesn't mean its descriptions don't add to the lore that's already there. Plus, if the official website said a particular route is canon, roll with it.

      2. Definitely have pages for the other routes. You got the canon route, sure, but definitely include additional information on the other missions and routes.

      3. I wouldn't say a notice that the article isn't canon, but a side mention of the missions not being part of the canon timeline would be good.

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    • History matters but so does game content. So, we should have them all but make a notice on alternate/non-canon events/missions.

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    • We have to remake the pages related to the canonical missions, I've already rewritten some of them.

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    • Given that the Ace Combat X's official website has stories on particular branches, we can consider them to be canon unless Project Aces states otherwise. For uniformity it would be good to have event pages for the missions that are not depicted in the website.

      IMHO the canonical status can just be a small note/header for the related missions. Players should not feel their choices in the game to be invalidated by what was depicted in Ace Combat X's official website.

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    • SlyCooperFan1 wrote:
      @NodokaHanamura: You're getting confused with the situation here. Joint Assault, Assault Horizon, and Infinity take place in their own universes, whereas most of the rest of the games take place in the Strangereal universe. We only consider an entire game like Northern Wings non-canon when it directly conflicts with established history from another (esp. larger) game. But that's not the discussion here at all.

      Ah. Apologies then. Given how the whole AC series is confusing when you look at it without considering the concept of Spinoffs and AUs throughly, such confusion is to be expected.

      Jason Zombolt wrote:
      NodokaHanamura wrote:
      I beg to differ on it being a problem. This is a ACI aircraft, right? ACI isn't part of the AC Canon, it's a Spinoff, so I say we shouldn't worry about it.

      But then again, i'm just a nugget compared to you all.

      As for Question 3, I say we should make a notice about it being non-canon, but that kind of begs the question as to if we should make all Strangereal Games "Canon" (with the exception of Northern Skies due to (iirc) conflicts with the canon), and report ACI, AC:AH and AC:JA non-canon on their pages with that template.


      What about when it directly refrences Older Ace Games? Like The Megalith Yellow Numbers, ZOE being Belkan, and the Varkolac Back stories?


      And Non Canon does not work whe nyou throw the AU(alternat universes) in them, No Using the Wiki to spread buthurt over non SR games

      Referencing older AC Games can be a confusing one - Just a nod to previous games (like ACI using skins from older games or the like), unless it relates to the story of the game making the reference, may or may not be considered canon. However, referring to nations from previous games, has a high chance of being canon, because chances are, said nation had a hand in moving the current chain of events into play for the game in question.

      I'm not spreading butthurt. I consider all games on equal stature when it comes to their setting, as long as it's on stable logical ground. I'm just saying, with all these universes in AC, it's hard to, at least at first, understand what can be considered canon, and what cannot. AUs imply with the term "alternate" that they are not canon. But the idea of something being canon can end up being subjective. As far as I know, Project ACES has never blatantly said that AC2/3/4/5/0/6/X were canon, nor did they say the same about the other games. Many people consider those games to be the canon mainly due to the fact that Strangereal's history, plot, settings and what not are the most developed.

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    • NodokaHanamura wrote:

      Referencing older AC Games can be a confusing one - Just a nod to previous games (like ACI using skins from older games or the like), unless it relates to the story of the game making the reference, may or may not be considered canon. However, referring to nations from previous games, has a high chance of being canon, because chances are, said nation had a hand in moving the current chain of events into play for the game in question.

      I'm not spreading butthurt. I consider all games on equal stature when it comes to their setting, as long as it's on stable logical ground. I'm just saying, with all these universes in AC, it's hard to, at least at first, understand what can be considered canon, and what cannot. AUs imply with the term "alternate" that they are not canon. But the idea of something being canon can end up being subjective. As far as I know, Project ACES has never blatantly said that AC2/3/4/5/0/6/X were canon, nor did they say the same about the other games. Many people consider those games to be the canon mainly due to the fact that Strangereal's history, plot, settings and what not are the most developed.

      Well the way you were stating it(and I did not get the earlier responce due to it being deleated) Made it seem like you were delegitimizing the Non SR Games, also I htink you may have a mistaken idea of what an AU(alternate universe) Works. In a Similar Fation of Star Trek and Gundam, AN AU is a spin off, using themes and designs of the main world, but in a different setting and story elements. They are unto themselves a Universe of the Story fiction, but Separate from the Originator.


      Or in other words, The Horizonverse has ACAH(game), The Last Ace(Novel), Ikaros in the SKy(Novel) and Master File Shinden(RefrenceBook) All these are Canon to the Horizonverse, and Separate from the SRverse and the Infinityverse, though refrences can be made, the events in the Horizonverse are canon to them.


      In the case of Infinity, The Special Planes are Extracanon, Existing both in and out of canon, as the Events that transpire do not exist in the Invinityverse, they explicity Refrence Other parts of the Ace Combat Canon. As of yet, most of there are uncontestd, so it had no problems being accepted as fact. Things get hazy when it comes to refreencing a Multiple choice path, Like Ace 3 or X. This is were the Extracanon is more Curcomstantial evidence to oother works, like the Stories on the ACX Site refrenced above.


      So Try to be a touch clearer, like Gundam, the AU of Ace Combat is not well liked for one reason or another, but there are pleanty of fans around. None of them are lesser to others, or greater than others...or something like that : D

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    • Guys, guys, guys. Please, get this back on topic.

      It seems like everyone so far is in agreement about this, so this is what we'll do:

      • We need articles for each ACX mission as usual, and a matching article for the operation that took place in that mission.
      • The operations that are not considered canon by official material will have a new flag that I'm going to make right after posting this.
      • Any page that relates to the general story of ACX, such as Aurelian War, will have the canon story as described in the first post.
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    • On German Jedipedia.net we also put up non-canon characters and events, marked with a header clarifying the status. To sum up: everything related to the content is canon only, non-canon stuff put into trivia and on own articles clearly marked as non-canon.

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    • I know I'm a little late here but may I ask why Night Assault on Sachana Air Base is not considered a canon operation?

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    • Sorry, I forgot to respond to this and lock it after putting together the new AP:Canon page.

      Blitz, mission 09A, is not canon because Wild Card, mission 12C, is canon. You cannot play mission 12C if you play mission 09A; you have to play A Diversion, mission 09B, to play 12C.

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    • I see, thanks a lot, i thought you meant mission 9 itself is not cannon :-) 

      If possible, could you tell me where i might find the article which shows the canon missons, if not then that's fine :-)

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    • ........I.... just.... linked it... in my reply above.....

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    • Oh, sorry about that, I must've been blind. Thanks :-)

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