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  • There's a long history about the name "Usean Continental War". The fact is, this name was fan-made, whether by the wiki or by other fans elsewhere. We used to use it to refer to the AC04 war, but then AC3D used it to refer to the AC2 war, which forced us to rename the AC04 war to "Second Usean Continental War".

    Anything that ends in "Usean Continental War" was fan-made and simply spread by its continued use on Acepedia.

    EDIT: See ScherzoPrime's reply below, apparently "Usean Continental War" was indeed an official name provided through Arkbird Declaration: Summit 2008 in the original Japanese.

    According to numerous official sources, the AC2 war is referred to as simply the "coup d'etat" and Kono just confirmed for us that there is no other official term for it. Official sources have also called the AC04 war as simply the "Continental War".

    The reason this discussion is coming up now is because the new Famitsu scans for AC7 re-confirm that the AC04 war is the "Continental War", and even says that the AC7 war is now the "Second Continental War" (or "Lighthouse War"). As I was typing this, Bandai Namco Europe even tweeted out that the AC7 war is the "Second Usean Continental War".

    Side note, the Famitsu scans also confirmed a canon name for the AC3 war: the Inter-Company War.

    I propose the following. Please reply if you agree or disagree with this proposal, and why.

    • Rename the AC2 war to the PARTIALLY FAN-MADE term "Usean coup d'etat", since "coup d'etat" is too generic for the page. Also mention the alternate names "Usean Continental War" and "Usean Continental Conflict" (see replies).
    • Rename the AC3 war to the OFFICIAL term "Inter-Company War" with references.
    • Rename the AC04 war to the OFFICIAL term "Continental War" with references, while also mentioning the names "Usean Continental War" and "First Usean Continental War" as an alternate to the AC7 war name.
    • Maintain the AC7 war as the OFFICIAL term "Lighthouse War" with references, while also mentioning "Second Continental War" and "Second Usean Continental War" as alternate names with references.

    Please reply if you agree or disagree with this proposal, and why.

    If the general consensus of the wiki is Agree by June 16, then we will put this proposal into action.

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    • Agreed, however the AC04 war should have the First Usean Continental War as an alternative name/reference to go along with what's coming in AC7.

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    • I meant to add that in and forgot about it. Thanks Kupchenko!

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    • I agree with the proposition, "Usean Coup d'État" does feel like the best way to describe the AC2 conflict in a distinguishable manner. And the rest is of course as official as it gets.

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    • It seems good, but so many names for wars in the same territories for different games of the saga can be something difficult to remember, especially if we do not memorize it naturally of the games themselves, I think it would be more useful to mention it by dates, for example: The Usean continental war of 2004 (Second Usean Continental War - AC4)
      Even so, I agree.

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    • Agree

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    • Coup d'État seems like the best fit to me.

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    • You can add a sentence to the AC2 conflict page since Olsen's makes it clear that some referred to the war as the Usean Continental War.

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    • Yeah this makes it more clearer, agree

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    • Seems logical, I agree. Maybe also add information regarding the outdated names in the trivia section of each respective article, you know, just in case someone missed the memo and/or is confused. i.e Prior to the name change, this used to be called (outdated name)

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    • I've talked to Japanese fans about what it calls the AC3D conflict in Japanese, and they say it's actually just called "The Usean Continental Conflict", not The Usean Continental War. I'd be for renaming the AC3D war as such.

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    • @Shayanomer: That's exactly what I was planning to do for that one.

      @DaGamesPlaya: That might be too much, though I was thinking of making a disambiguation page on "Usean Continental War" to explain the name source and link to all three pages.

      @ScherzoPrime: That's just likely a translation from English to Japanese on the developers' part. The fact remains that "Usean Continental" is fan-made, and AC3D is the only source we have calling its conflict that way. All other official sources, including Kono himself, say it's an unnamed coup d'etat, and we have official sources, including AC7 this week, calling the AC04 war the Continental War instead.

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    • @Sly: I'm not arguing against the AC04 being renamed. I'm just saying that Usean Continental War and Usean Continental Conflict have two different spellings and the Japanese version uses the latter.  AC3D in general has a weird localization, like calling transport aircraft 'Transporters' or 'Petrol Coost'.

      But yeah, I'm not against calling it the Usea Coup D'etat either, since that's what it's been mostly called across multiple games and media.

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    • The Japanese text used at the end of AC3D is ユーアア大陸紛争 which is most closely translated as "Usean Continental Conflict," but I agree Coup works fine with all of the extra context that we have. "Usean Continental War" in the English version of AC3D was just a bad translation.

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    • FWIW, here's what he said:

      "あと、3Dのクーデターは日本語版だとここで「ユージア大陸紛争」と名付けられる。一方の04は「大陸戦争」なので日本語版は名前で区別しやすい"

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    • RE: Usean Continental War, it was used in Arkbird Declaration:http://www.encycstra.net/8212008---arkbird-declaration.html "ユージア大陸戦争"



      It's not a fan creation.

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    • ...oh. my. god.

      https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/well_there_it_is_jurassic_park.gif

      Finally. Finally a source. Thank you so much, Scherzo. We're probably going to have to stick with just "Continental War" for the AC04 conflict because of the AC7 source, but I'm definitely going to add "Usean Continental War" as an alternate. As for AC3D, I'm thinking of keeping "Usean coup d'etat" as the primary, and "Usean Continental War" and "Usean Continental Conflict" as alternates.

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    • - Rename AC2 conflict as suggested. - Rename AC04 conflict as suggested. It was truly a 'Continental War' as it involved the whole Usean Continent or at least, most of it. - Rename AC7 conflict as 'Lighthouse War' as it brings forth the mental image of the Space Elevator and differentiates it from other conflicts more clearly. I don't know why they refer to it as a continental war. From my point of view, if Osea is involved, it is an intercontinental war as it involves parties from two different continents. I don't know if Erusea is at war with other countries within Usea, but until we get confirmation, this seems more like a Intercontinental conflict. So I would review the term Usean Continental War when it involves parties from other continents.. - Rename AC3 conflict as suggested (Inter-company War).

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    • Rzero21 wrote:

      I don't know why they refer to it as a continental war. From my point of view, if Osea is involved, it is an intercontinental war as it involves parties from two different continents. I don't know if Erusea is at war with other countries within Usea, but until we get confirmation, this seems more like a Intercontinental conflict. So I would review the term Usean Continental War when it involves parties from other continents..

      I completely agree with everything you said here. This is why the page has already been renamed to the "Lighthouse War" name.

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    • SlyCooperFan1 wrote:
      ...oh. my. god.

      https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/well_there_it_is_jurassic_park.gif

      Finally. Finally a source. Thank you so much, Scherzo. We're probably going to have to stick with just "Continental War" for the AC04 conflict because of the AC7 source, but I'm definitely going to add "Usean Continental War" as an alternate. As for AC3D, I'm thinking of keeping "Usean coup d'etat" as the primary, and "Usean Continental War" and "Usean Continental Conflict" as alternates.

      That makes sense. Though we do Mobius Squadron is fighting the Eruseans, so it's likely other Usean nations are involved as well.

      Sort of unrelated, but was on my mind because was adding the T-50 to AC7; if it's added as Su-57, will we create another page for it?

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    • So, AC2's event is called a conflict, whereas AC04's is called a war?

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    • ScherzoPrime wrote:

      Sort of unrelated, but was on my mind because was adding the T-50 to AC7; if it's added as Su-57, will we create another page for it?

      Probably not. Unless there's a big change in its in-game model (I think tomorrow's trailer will feature it), we'll probably just rename it since T-50 PAK-FA was always its temporary/prototype name. A good example of the precedent for different pages is YF-22 and F-22A, or A-10A and A-10C. But I'm not counting on there being any differences since the AC7 cockpit for the aircraft is exactly the same as the T-50's cockpit in AH and Infinity.

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    • Sylvered wrote:

      So, AC2's event is called a conflict, whereas AC04's is called a war?

      Technically all wars are conflicts, but not all conflicts are wars. The rebellion wasn't on as large of a scale to be considered a war, I suppose (though there's definitely some arguments to be made here on either side).

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    • Seems like a good idea. Kupchenko and Shayanomer had some good points as well.

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    • Just a wild proposal, here, but perhaps AC2/3D conflict could be called "Usean Civil War"? Just because of the nature of it, being a whole coup d'etat, with rebel forces from all countries gathering.

      Otherwise, I feel that AC4's war should be changed to "First Usean Continental War" adding the Usean, just for clarification.

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    • Galm03 wrote:

      Just a wild proposal, here, but perhaps AC2/3D conflict could be called "Usean Civil War"?

      We want to avoid making up names as much as possible.

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    • Thanks to ScherzoPrime, we have a name we can use for AC2's conflict. I can go with Usean Continental Conflict. It does seem like it began with a standoff between two halves of the continent.

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    • Sylvered wrote:

      Thanks to ScherzoPrime, we have a name we can use for AC2's conflict. I can go with Usean Continental Conflict. It does seem like it began with a standoff between two halves of the continent.

      We have more references that refer to it generically as a coup d'etat. Only one source -- AC3D's final debriefing -- says "Usean Continental Conflict".

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    • SlyCooperFan1 wrote:

      Sylvered wrote:

      Thanks to ScherzoPrime, we have a name we can use for AC2's conflict. I can go with Usean Continental Conflict. It does seem like it began with a standoff between two halves of the continent.

      We have more references that refer to it generically as a coup d'etat. Only one source -- AC3D's final debriefing -- says "Usean Continental Conflict".

      You have a point. I'm more familiar with the phrase coup d'etat. However, the word conflict had popped up in all the rebel planes' descriptions in ACI.

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    • I agree the usean coup 'De tah is also known as the usean rebellion war

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    • SlyCooperFan1 wrote:

      Sylvered wrote:

      Thanks to ScherzoPrime, we have a name we can use for AC2's conflict. I can go with Usean Continental Conflict. It does seem like it began with a standoff between two halves of the continent.

      We have more references that refer to it generically as a coup d'etat. Only one source -- AC3D's final debriefing -- says "Usean Continental Conflict".

      Yeah, to be honest I'd defer to Kono on this since he seems to be the master of Strangereal lore at this point. If it doesn't have an official name to him, then that's probably the case.

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    • Everyone, thank you so much for your input! Per the wiki's consensus, I have now renamed the following wars as such:

      • AC2/AC3D: Usean coup d'état (alternates: Usean Continental War, Usean Continental Conflict)
      • AC04: Continental War (alternates: Usean Continental War, First Usean Continental War)
      • AC7: Lighthouse War (alternates: Second Continental War, Second Usean Continental War)
      • AC3: Intercorporate War (the article's trivia mentions the Usean Corporate War name)

      I've run my Zone of Endless bot to hopefully fix every single link across the wiki to these wars. I've also made Usean Continental War a disambiguation page since it refers to multiple wars, but the other alternate names are all redirects to the related war.

      Again, thank you so much to everyone in this thread. Please let me know if any links start acting funky. If you see any leftovers in prose text, please feel free to fix them!

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    • I agree with what is said in this proposal.

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    • Looks like I was late to give a suggestion. Oh well..

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    • ScherzoPrime wrote:

      Yeah, to be honest I'd defer to Kono on this since he seems to be the master of Strangereal lore at this point. If it doesn't have an official name to him, then that's probably the case.

      You know, Usea is a huge bunch of contradictions. 

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    • a simple CONTINENTAL SIZE COUP DE ETAT against Osea influence in Usea ......the ace team need to give some importance about this fact causa it was a great war indeed but they only talk about ACE 4 history...it really pisses me off

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    • they need to give some credit about ZOE project and talk about in some ace combat 7 files, cause i always belonged to Grunther industries the drones project

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    • and about references mihaly could be victim of 97 usean coup de etat

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    • Hungrywolface, your replies have nothing to do with the topic. Please don't hijack threads.

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    • SlyCooperFan1 wrote:
      Hungrywolface, your replies have nothing to do with the topic. Please don't hijack threads.

      sorry

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